Central Idaho Amateur
Radio Club
CIARC Meeting Minutes - October 2013
Meeting Minutes - October 2013

Attending Members
Call Sign First Last
W7HXU Lenard Crogh
K7KLE Kirk Eimers
  Dan Kallies
KE7TQV Peter Lakomski
W7CIA Ray Montagne
KF7JPJ Bob Renn
N7IBC Larry Stokes
KE7KQE Martin Tushkowski

Call Sign First Last
K7HCS Bill Mayfield

Agenda Items
  1. Membership Report. [Bob Renn - KF7JPJ]

    1. Number of paid memberships: 16

      1. Individual memberships: 14

      2. Family memberships: 2

    2. Total Members: 18

  2. Treasurer's Report. [Bob Renn - KF7JPJ]

    1. Current balance: $1484.16

    2. Outstanding expenditures: $0.00

    3. Outstanding deposits: $0.00

  3. Repeater Technical Report. [Ray Montagne - W7CIA]

    1. 2m Repeater

      Early morning shows the 2m repeater receiver being held keyed by noise. This issue was first observed on the mornings of the 26th and 27th of September. Since the receiver is in tone decode mode, the noise source must be transmitting a 100.0 Hz CTCSS tone to keep the receiver keyed. The source may be the repeater transmitter, which transmits 100.0 Hz CTCSS encode. The issue appears to be influenced by temperature as once the temperatures rise, the issue no longer exists. Investigation of root cause will require being on-site when the failure occurs.

      This failure is not exhibiting the same symptoms as the Tait repeater failure. Recall that when the Tait repeater failed, the receiver phase locked loop (PLL) went out of lock and the receiver did not operate (i.e. no signals could be heard). The issue occurring with the current repeater has a signal quieting the receiver (albeit marginally) that can be captured by stations using the repeater, indicating that the receiver is still functioning. This is not indicative of a receiver PLL failure. Only an on-site examination can lead to isolating the root cause.

      Possible causes may include, but are not limited to the following:

      1. The transmitter could be radiating spurious emissions that fall on or near to the receiver channel.

      2. The receiver could be detecting an image, which could be due to the intermediate frequencies in the receiver or other radios that are in close proximity.

      3. There may be something else on the hill-top that is radiating a spurious emission.

      Bob Renn (KF7JPJ), Larry Stokes (N7IBC) and Ray Montagne (W7CIA) plan to travel to the repeater site on Saturday, October 5th in the hope of isolating root cause and repairing the issue.

    2. 70cm Repeater

      Nothing to report on the 70cm repeater.

  4. Technician License - Class & Test Session. [Ray Montagne - W7CIA]

    Allan Perrins (WB6PHE) and his wife, Dee (N6HWI) have presented a very generous offer to travel to Valley County to conduct a class and test session for the Technician license.

    Allan and Dee are members of the Bay Area Education Amateur Radio Society (BAEARS). This group is the largest single organization in the country for Amateur Radio licensing and is responsible for licensing over 6,000 new Amateur Radio operators.

    Here is what is going to happen:

    1. A class and W5YI-VEC test session will be held at the McCall Fire Department at 201 Deinhard Lane in McCall on Saturday, October 26th for the Technician license.

    2. The combined class and test session will run from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM. A 1:15 minute break will be scheduled for lunch.

    3. The cost for the session is $30 at the door. The fee covers both the class and the test.

      If someone wants to take the test but not attend the class, the fee is $14.

      Note that Allan highly recommends against the testing only option unless the candidate is razor sharp on test preparation.

      The class teaches how to pass the test. The class is not a comprehensive in-depth study of electronics theory and regulations. The goal is to prepare people to successfully complete the test. BAEARS has been quite successful at this and achieved better than a 91% passing rate with their most recent session.

      Since this VE test session is being conducted by BAEARS, fees collected will be going to them. The $30 covers the cost of printing the materials (of which there is a bunch), the test fee (which is forwarded to W5YI), and a bit of overhead.


      Advanced registration is necessary as the venue has limited size. If the number of persons taking the class exceeds 20 persons then we will need to move the venue. Such an undertaking needs to be determined before the day of the class so that proper notification can be made to all enrollees.

      Advanced registration can be performed by using the • Registration • menu item under the Contacts menu on the CIARC website or by clicking here.

    5. An advertising flyer is available under the About menu on the CIARC website. The flyer is also available by clicking here. Note that a '.pdf' copy of the flyer is also available from that page.

    6. The W5YI-VE Team will consist of:

      1. Allan Perrins (WB6PHE)

      2. Dee Perrins (WB6PHE)

      3. Ray Montagne (W7CIA)

    7. What Allan & Dee will be doing with the class and W5YI-VEC test session:

      1. Conduct a training class for the Technician Class license for prospective amateur radio licensees within the service area of the Central Idaho Amateur Radio Club.

      2. Simultaneously train Central Idaho Amateur Radio Club staff on how to conduct the training class.

      3. Conduct a W5YI-VE test session for the Technician class license.

      4. Simultaneously train Central Idaho Amateur Radio Club W5YI Volunteer Examiners on how to conduct the testing session.

      5. Provide a disc with all training presentation materials.

    8. What does the Central Idaho Amateur Radio Club need to do?

      1. Larry Stokes (N7IBC) has secured both a primary and secondary venue for this event.

      2. Advertise and get the word out locally.

      3. We need volunteers to help with the class and test session. You do not need to be a Volunteer Examiner (VE) to help. There are tasks that only the VEs can do but there are also a lot of tasks that do not require a VE certification and it would be extremely helpful to have volunteers to help out. Three or four volunteers have been requested by Allan.

    9. What does the Central Idaho Amateur Radio Club get out of it?

      1. A demonstration of how to conduct both a class session and VE testing.

      2. A road-map, and materials, toward increasing club membership, and hence, club revenues.

      3. An opportunity for our unlicensed members to become licensed.

      4. An opportunity to get members of the Valley County Search & Rescue organization, who have previously expressed both an interest in Amateur Radio and using our repeater infrastructure to expand their radio communications range, enlisted in the rolls of amateur radio licensees.

      5. An opportunity to grow the membership of the Central Idaho Amateur Radio Club with new amateur radio licensees.

  5. Highway Clean-up will occur on Saturday, October 12th. Please contact Lenard Crogh (W7HXU) if you can help out.